Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
Hi all,
I've been doing research into 3D printers and in the process, I started reading about the MAX v3.2. Originally, I wasn't looking into delta printers because I've heard/read that they can be a pain to configure. Since one of my main requirements was a printer that did not require constant tinkering and recalibration, deltas were not high on my list.
However, from what I've read, the MAX 3.2 is different in that it is fairly easy to calibrate and configure and it is pretty reliable. So, I started focusing my research more into the printer. Unfortunately, there isn't much information on it out there. The reviews are few and far between. I found the article about it being voted high by users but that is pretty much it.
There are some reviews of the MAX v3 but pretty much nothing on the v3.2. None of the big names on YouTube have done reviews on it (or pretty much any large volume SeeMeCNC printer).
I was hoping that the forums would offer more information but the MAX v3.2 forum has just a handful of posts, even though the printer been out for a while and I keep reading that SeeMeCNC has a pretty lively community.
Could this community help with information on the printer? Thank you.
I've been doing research into 3D printers and in the process, I started reading about the MAX v3.2. Originally, I wasn't looking into delta printers because I've heard/read that they can be a pain to configure. Since one of my main requirements was a printer that did not require constant tinkering and recalibration, deltas were not high on my list.
However, from what I've read, the MAX 3.2 is different in that it is fairly easy to calibrate and configure and it is pretty reliable. So, I started focusing my research more into the printer. Unfortunately, there isn't much information on it out there. The reviews are few and far between. I found the article about it being voted high by users but that is pretty much it.
There are some reviews of the MAX v3 but pretty much nothing on the v3.2. None of the big names on YouTube have done reviews on it (or pretty much any large volume SeeMeCNC printer).
I was hoping that the forums would offer more information but the MAX v3.2 forum has just a handful of posts, even though the printer been out for a while and I keep reading that SeeMeCNC has a pretty lively community.
Could this community help with information on the printer? Thank you.
Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
What would you like to know about it?
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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
Most of my questions are about the printer's operation over a longer period:geneb wrote:What would you like to know about it?
g.
 How reliable is it?
 How often do I need to spend time recalibrating it and tweaking it or does the autocalibration always work?
 What is the user experience over a longer period of time?
 What are the common pain points with using the printer?
 I've read that deltas get less accurate when they are printing closer to the edges of the print surface. What is the accuracy deviation for the v3.2?
Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
I have Rostock MAX models going back to 2013 and none have failed due to a mechanical issue, with the exception of the preball joint arms. (The ujoints would sometimes gall the stainless steel axles and begin to bind.) The ball & socket arms have eliminated that issue.
The cycle of tweaking and recalibrating is a thing of the past. The Duet WiFi firmware has an amazing calibration routine that is enhanced by bed mapping. The effector platform has a sensor in it that turns the whole hot end assembly into a z probe and the calibration process is fast enough that you could do it before each print job  it takes around a minute.
I can't speak to "pain points"  maybe another user can step in here?
As to the accuracy change, you might contact support  I don't know that anyone has bothered to measure it. (My personal opinion is that if it was significant enough to notice, people would have been screaming about deltas for years. I think it's a boogeyman used by cartesian printer manufacturers to scare users away from delta printers.)
g.
The cycle of tweaking and recalibrating is a thing of the past. The Duet WiFi firmware has an amazing calibration routine that is enhanced by bed mapping. The effector platform has a sensor in it that turns the whole hot end assembly into a z probe and the calibration process is fast enough that you could do it before each print job  it takes around a minute.
I can't speak to "pain points"  maybe another user can step in here?
As to the accuracy change, you might contact support  I don't know that anyone has bothered to measure it. (My personal opinion is that if it was significant enough to notice, people would have been screaming about deltas for years. I think it's a boogeyman used by cartesian printer manufacturers to scare users away from delta printers.)
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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
To reassure anyone with interest in a SeeMeCNC Delta, In the past (Rostock Models V1 and V2) everybody was always busy upgrading machines with different arms, different skates, different hotends and different controllers. I think SeeMeCNC took that as criticism because the later models incorporated almost all of those mods into a new version, the V3.2. The reason for not hearing much about it, is because there really is not much to be desired after buying this machine . Also much of the attention get's stolen by the Artemis.
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Rostock V2 / E3D Volcano / FSR kit / Duet 0.6
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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
I am no expert in delta kinematics but I am not sure that the math supports your claim. Suppose that I have a printer with a bed diameter of 400mm and an arm of 1000mm. Suppose also, for the purposes of this example, that my stepper/pulley combo can achieve a minimum sled travel of 0.1mm per stepper step. If I calculate the movement from bed center to bed edge for each stepper step, I get the following:geneb wrote:As to the accuracy change, you might contact support  I don't know that anyone has bothered to measure it. (My personal opinion is that if it was significant enough to notice, people would have been screaming about deltas for years. I think it's a boogeyman used by cartesian printer manufacturers to scare users away from delta printers.)
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X @ 200.48927447 , Z @ 979.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.48927447
X @ 200.97730807 , Z @ 979.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.48803359
X @ 201.46410980 , Z @ 979.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.48680173
X @ 201.94968858 , Z @ 979.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.48557878
X @ 202.43405321 , Z @ 979.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.48436462
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X @ 203.87994859 , Z @ 979.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.48077392
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X @ 204.83796473 , Z @ 978.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.47842222
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X @ 206.26628259 , Z @ 978.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.47495587
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X @ 207.68434431 , Z @ 978.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.47156070
X @ 208.15478868 , Z @ 978.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.47044437
X @ 208.62412428 , Z @ 978.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.46933560
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X @ 216.44011015 , Z @ 976.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.45156392
X @ 216.89068781 , Z @ 976.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.45057767
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X @ 217.78890885 , Z @ 976.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44862349
X @ 218.23656430 , Z @ 975.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44765545
X @ 218.68325765 , Z @ 975.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44669335
X @ 219.12899479 , Z @ 975.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44573714
X @ 219.57378153 , Z @ 975.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44478674
X @ 220.01762365 , Z @ 975.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44384212
X @ 220.46052684 , Z @ 975.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44290319
X @ 220.90249676 , Z @ 975.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44196992
X @ 221.34353899 , Z @ 975.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44104223
X @ 221.78365908 , Z @ 975.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.44012008
X @ 222.22286249 , Z @ 975.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43920341
X @ 222.66115465 , Z @ 974.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43829217
X @ 223.09854094 , Z @ 974.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43738629
X @ 223.53502667 , Z @ 974.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43648573
X @ 223.97061711 , Z @ 974.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43559044
X @ 224.40531747 , Z @ 974.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43470036
X @ 224.83913291 , Z @ 974.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43381544
X @ 225.27206855 , Z @ 974.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43293564
X @ 225.70412944 , Z @ 974.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43206089
X @ 226.13532061 , Z @ 974.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43119117
X @ 226.56564701 , Z @ 974.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.43032640
X @ 226.99511357 , Z @ 973.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42946656
X @ 227.42372516 , Z @ 973.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42861159
X @ 227.85148660 , Z @ 973.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42776144
X @ 228.27840267 , Z @ 973.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42691607
X @ 228.70447810 , Z @ 973.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42607543
X @ 229.12971759 , Z @ 973.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42523949
X @ 229.55412578 , Z @ 973.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42440819
X @ 229.97770727 , Z @ 973.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42358149
X @ 230.40046663 , Z @ 973.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42275935
X @ 230.82240836 , Z @ 973.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42194173
X @ 231.24353695 , Z @ 972.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42112859
X @ 231.66385683 , Z @ 972.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.42031988
X @ 232.08337239 , Z @ 972.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41951556
X @ 232.50208799 , Z @ 972.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41871560
X @ 232.92000794 , Z @ 972.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41791995
X @ 233.33713652 , Z @ 972.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41712858
X @ 233.75347796 , Z @ 972.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41634144
X @ 234.16903646 , Z @ 972.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41555850
X @ 234.58381618 , Z @ 972.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41477973
X @ 234.99782126 , Z @ 972.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41400507
X @ 235.41105576 , Z @ 971.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41323450
X @ 235.82352375 , Z @ 971.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41246799
X @ 236.23522924 , Z @ 971.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41170549
X @ 236.64617621 , Z @ 971.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41094697
X @ 237.05636860 , Z @ 971.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.41019239
X @ 237.46581032 , Z @ 971.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40944172
X @ 237.87450526 , Z @ 971.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40869494
X @ 238.28245724 , Z @ 971.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40795199
X @ 238.68967009 , Z @ 971.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40721285
X @ 239.09614758 , Z @ 971.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40647749
X @ 239.50189346 , Z @ 970.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40574587
X @ 239.90691142 , Z @ 970.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40501797
X @ 240.31120516 , Z @ 970.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40429374
X @ 240.71477833 , Z @ 970.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40357317
X @ 241.11763454 , Z @ 970.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40285621
X @ 241.51977738 , Z @ 970.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40214284
X @ 241.92121041 , Z @ 970.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40143303
X @ 242.32193715 , Z @ 970.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40072674
X @ 242.72196111 , Z @ 970.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.40002396
X @ 243.12128575 , Z @ 970.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39932464
X @ 243.51991451 , Z @ 969.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39862876
X @ 243.91785081 , Z @ 969.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39793630
X @ 244.31509802 , Z @ 969.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39724722
X @ 244.71165951 , Z @ 969.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39656149
X @ 245.10753860 , Z @ 969.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39587909
X @ 245.50273860 , Z @ 969.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39520000
X @ 245.89726277 , Z @ 969.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39452417
X @ 246.29111437 , Z @ 969.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39385160
X @ 246.68429662 , Z @ 969.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39318225
X @ 247.07681271 , Z @ 969.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39251609
X @ 247.46866581 , Z @ 968.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39185310
X @ 247.85985907 , Z @ 968.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39119326
X @ 248.25039560 , Z @ 968.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.39053653
X @ 248.64027851 , Z @ 968.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38988290
X @ 249.02951085 , Z @ 968.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38923235
X @ 249.41809568 , Z @ 968.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38858483
X @ 249.80603602 , Z @ 968.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38794034
X @ 250.19333487 , Z @ 968.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38729885
X @ 250.57999520 , Z @ 968.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38666033
X @ 250.96601995 , Z @ 968.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38602476
X @ 251.35141207 , Z @ 967.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38539212
X @ 251.73617446 , Z @ 967.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38476238
X @ 252.12030999 , Z @ 967.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38413553
X @ 252.50382153 , Z @ 967.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38351154
X @ 252.88671193 , Z @ 967.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38289039
X @ 253.26898398 , Z @ 967.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38227206
X @ 253.65064050 , Z @ 967.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38165652
X @ 254.03168426 , Z @ 967.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38104376
X @ 254.41211800 , Z @ 967.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.38043374
X @ 254.79194447 , Z @ 967.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37982647
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X @ 255.54978639 , Z @ 966.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37862002
X @ 255.92780721 , Z @ 966.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37802082
X @ 256.30523148 , Z @ 966.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37742427
X @ 256.68206183 , Z @ 966.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37683035
X @ 257.05830086 , Z @ 966.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37623904
X @ 257.43395118 , Z @ 966.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37565032
X @ 257.80901536 , Z @ 966.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37506418
X @ 258.18349595 , Z @ 966.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37448059
X @ 258.55739549 , Z @ 966.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37389954
X @ 258.93071649 , Z @ 965.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37332100
X @ 259.30346145 , Z @ 965.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37274496
X @ 259.67563285 , Z @ 965.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37217141
X @ 260.04723317 , Z @ 965.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37160031
X @ 260.41826483 , Z @ 965.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37103166
X @ 260.78873027 , Z @ 965.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.37046544
X @ 261.15863190 , Z @ 965.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36990163
X @ 261.52797211 , Z @ 965.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36934021
X @ 261.89675327 , Z @ 965.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36878116
X @ 262.26497775 , Z @ 965.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36822448
X @ 262.63264788 , Z @ 964.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36767013
X @ 262.99976599 , Z @ 964.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36711811
X @ 263.36633440 , Z @ 964.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36656840
X @ 263.73235538 , Z @ 964.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36602098
X @ 264.09783121 , Z @ 964.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36547584
X @ 264.46276417 , Z @ 964.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36493295
X @ 264.82715648 , Z @ 964.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36439231
X @ 265.19101039 , Z @ 964.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36385390
X @ 265.55432809 , Z @ 964.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36331771
X @ 265.91711180 , Z @ 964.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36278371
X @ 266.27936369 , Z @ 963.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36225189
X @ 266.64108593 , Z @ 963.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36172224
X @ 267.00228068 , Z @ 963.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36119474
X @ 267.36295006 , Z @ 963.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36066939
X @ 267.72309621 , Z @ 963.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.36014615
X @ 268.08272124 , Z @ 963.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35962502
X @ 268.44182723 , Z @ 963.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35910599
X @ 268.80041626 , Z @ 963.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35858904
X @ 269.15849042 , Z @ 963.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35807415
X @ 269.51605174 , Z @ 963.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35756132
X @ 269.87310226 , Z @ 962.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35705052
X @ 270.22964401 , Z @ 962.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35654175
X @ 270.58567900 , Z @ 962.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35603499
X @ 270.94120923 , Z @ 962.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35553023
X @ 271.29623669 , Z @ 962.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35502745
X @ 271.65076333 , Z @ 962.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35452665
X @ 272.00479113 , Z @ 962.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35402780
X @ 272.35832203 , Z @ 962.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35353090
X @ 272.71135796 , Z @ 962.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35303593
X @ 273.06390083 , Z @ 962.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35254288
X @ 273.41595256 , Z @ 961.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35205173
X @ 273.76751505 , Z @ 961.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35156248
X @ 274.11859017 , Z @ 961.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35107512
X @ 274.46917979 , Z @ 961.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35058962
X @ 274.81928578 , Z @ 961.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.35010599
X @ 275.16890997 , Z @ 961.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34962419
X @ 275.51805421 , Z @ 961.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34914424
X @ 275.86672031 , Z @ 961.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34866610
X @ 276.21491008 , Z @ 961.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34818978
X @ 276.56262533 , Z @ 961.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34771525
X @ 276.90986785 , Z @ 960.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34724251
X @ 277.25663940 , Z @ 960.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34677155
X @ 277.60294175 , Z @ 960.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34630235
X @ 277.94877666 , Z @ 960.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34583491
X @ 278.29414588 , Z @ 960.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34536921
X @ 278.63905112 , Z @ 960.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34490524
X @ 278.98349411 , Z @ 960.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34444299
X @ 279.32747657 , Z @ 960.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34398246
X @ 279.67100019 , Z @ 960.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34352362
X @ 280.01406666 , Z @ 960.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34306647
X @ 280.35667765 , Z @ 959.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34261100
X @ 280.69883485 , Z @ 959.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34215719
X @ 281.04053989 , Z @ 959.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34170505
X @ 281.38179444 , Z @ 959.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34125455
X @ 281.72260013 , Z @ 959.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34080569
X @ 282.06295858 , Z @ 959.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.34035845
X @ 282.40287141 , Z @ 959.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33991283
X @ 282.74234023 , Z @ 959.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33946882
X @ 283.08136664 , Z @ 959.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33902641
X @ 283.41995223 , Z @ 959.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33858558
X @ 283.75809856 , Z @ 958.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33814634
X @ 284.09580722 , Z @ 958.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33770866
X @ 284.43307975 , Z @ 958.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33727254
X @ 284.76991772 , Z @ 958.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33683797
X @ 285.10632265 , Z @ 958.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33640493
X @ 285.44229609 , Z @ 958.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33597344
X @ 285.77783955 , Z @ 958.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33554346
X @ 286.11295454 , Z @ 958.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33511499
X @ 286.44764257 , Z @ 958.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33468803
X @ 286.78190514 , Z @ 958.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33426257
X @ 287.11574372 , Z @ 957.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33383859
X @ 287.44915981 , Z @ 957.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33341608
X @ 287.78215485 , Z @ 957.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33299505
X @ 288.11473033 , Z @ 957.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33257547
X @ 288.44688768 , Z @ 957.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33215735
X @ 288.77862835 , Z @ 957.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33174067
X @ 289.10995377 , Z @ 957.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33132542
X @ 289.44086538 , Z @ 957.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33091160
X @ 289.77136458 , Z @ 957.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33049920
X @ 290.10145279 , Z @ 957.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.33008821
X @ 290.43113140 , Z @ 956.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32967862
X @ 290.76040182 , Z @ 956.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32927042
X @ 291.08926543 , Z @ 956.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32886361
X @ 291.41772360 , Z @ 956.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32845817
X @ 291.74577770 , Z @ 956.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32805410
X @ 292.07342910 , Z @ 956.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32765140
X @ 292.40067914 , Z @ 956.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32725005
X @ 292.72752919 , Z @ 956.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32685004
X @ 293.05398056 , Z @ 956.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32645138
X @ 293.38003460 , Z @ 956.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32605404
X @ 293.70569263 , Z @ 955.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32565803
X @ 294.03095596 , Z @ 955.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32526333
X @ 294.35582590 , Z @ 955.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32486994
X @ 294.68030375 , Z @ 955.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32447785
X @ 295.00439081 , Z @ 955.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32408706
X @ 295.32808837 , Z @ 955.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32369755
X @ 295.65139769 , Z @ 955.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32330933
X @ 295.97432007 , Z @ 955.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32292237
X @ 296.29685675 , Z @ 955.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32253668
X @ 296.61900899 , Z @ 955.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32215225
X @ 296.94077806 , Z @ 954.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32176907
X @ 297.26216519 , Z @ 954.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32138713
X @ 297.58317163 , Z @ 954.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32100643
X @ 297.90379859 , Z @ 954.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32062696
X @ 298.22404731 , Z @ 954.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.32024872
X @ 298.54391900 , Z @ 954.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31987169
X @ 298.86341488 , Z @ 954.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31949588
X @ 299.18253614 , Z @ 954.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31912126
X @ 299.50128399 , Z @ 954.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31874785
X @ 299.81965961 , Z @ 954.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31837562
X @ 300.13766420 , Z @ 953.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31800458
X @ 300.45529892 , Z @ 953.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31763472
X @ 300.77256495 , Z @ 953.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31726603
X @ 301.08946346 , Z @ 953.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31689851
X @ 301.40599561 , Z @ 953.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31653214
X @ 301.72216254 , Z @ 953.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31616693
X @ 302.03796541 , Z @ 953.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31580287
X @ 302.35340535 , Z @ 953.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31543994
X @ 302.66848350 , Z @ 953.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31507815
X @ 302.98320100 , Z @ 953.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31471749
X @ 303.29755895 , Z @ 952.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31435795
X @ 303.61155848 , Z @ 952.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31399953
X @ 303.92520070 , Z @ 952.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31364222
X @ 304.23848672 , Z @ 952.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31328602
X @ 304.55141763 , Z @ 952.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31293091
X @ 304.86399453 , Z @ 952.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31257690
X @ 305.17621851 , Z @ 952.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31222397
X @ 305.48809064 , Z @ 952.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31187213
X @ 305.79961200 , Z @ 952.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31152136
X @ 306.11078367 , Z @ 952.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31117167
X @ 306.42160671 , Z @ 951.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31082304
X @ 306.73208218 , Z @ 951.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31047547
X @ 307.04221113 , Z @ 951.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.31012895
X @ 307.35199462 , Z @ 951.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30978349
X @ 307.66143368 , Z @ 951.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30943906
X @ 307.97052936 , Z @ 951.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30909568
X @ 308.27928269 , Z @ 951.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30875333
X @ 308.58769469 , Z @ 951.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30841200
X @ 308.89576639 , Z @ 951.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30807170
X @ 309.20349881 , Z @ 951.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30773241
X @ 309.51089295 , Z @ 950.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30739414
X @ 309.81794982 , Z @ 950.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30705688
X @ 310.12467043 , Z @ 950.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30672061
X @ 310.43105578 , Z @ 950.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30638534
X @ 310.73710685 , Z @ 950.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30605107
X @ 311.04282462 , Z @ 950.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30571778
X @ 311.34821010 , Z @ 950.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30538547
X @ 311.65326424 , Z @ 950.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30505414
X @ 311.95798802 , Z @ 950.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30472378
X @ 312.26238241 , Z @ 950.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30439439
X @ 312.56644837 , Z @ 949.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30406596
X @ 312.87018686 , Z @ 949.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30373849
X @ 313.17359883 , Z @ 949.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30341197
X @ 313.47668523 , Z @ 949.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30308640
X @ 313.77944701 , Z @ 949.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30276177
X @ 314.08188509 , Z @ 949.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30243809
X @ 314.38400043 , Z @ 949.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30211533
X @ 314.68579393 , Z @ 949.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30179351
X @ 314.98726654 , Z @ 949.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30147261
X @ 315.28841917 , Z @ 949.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30115263
X @ 315.58925273 , Z @ 948.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30083357
X @ 315.88976815 , Z @ 948.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30051541
X @ 316.18996632 , Z @ 948.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.30019817
X @ 316.48984815 , Z @ 948.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29988183
X @ 316.78941453 , Z @ 948.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29956639
X @ 317.08866637 , Z @ 948.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29925184
X @ 317.38760454 , Z @ 948.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29893818
X @ 317.68622995 , Z @ 948.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29862540
X @ 317.98454346 , Z @ 948.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29831351
X @ 318.28254595 , Z @ 948.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29800249
X @ 318.58023830 , Z @ 947.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29769235
X @ 318.87762138 , Z @ 947.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29738308
X @ 319.17469604 , Z @ 947.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29707467
X @ 319.47146316 , Z @ 947.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29676712
X @ 319.76792358 , Z @ 947.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29646042
X @ 320.06407817 , Z @ 947.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29615458
X @ 320.35992776 , Z @ 947.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29584959
X @ 320.65547320 , Z @ 947.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29554544
X @ 320.95071533 , Z @ 947.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29524213
X @ 321.24565499 , Z @ 947.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29493966
X @ 321.54029301 , Z @ 946.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29463802
X @ 321.83463022 , Z @ 946.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29433721
X @ 322.12866744 , Z @ 946.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29403722
X @ 322.42240550 , Z @ 946.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29373806
X @ 322.71584521 , Z @ 946.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29343971
X @ 323.00898738 , Z @ 946.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29314217
X @ 323.30183282 , Z @ 946.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29284544
X @ 323.59438235 , Z @ 946.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29254952
X @ 323.88663675 , Z @ 946.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29225440
X @ 324.17859683 , Z @ 946.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29196008
X @ 324.47026339 , Z @ 945.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29166656
X @ 324.76163721 , Z @ 945.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29137382
X @ 325.05271908 , Z @ 945.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29108187
X @ 325.34350979 , Z @ 945.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29079071
X @ 325.63401011 , Z @ 945.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29050032
X @ 325.92422083 , Z @ 945.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.29021071
X @ 326.21414271 , Z @ 945.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28992188
X @ 326.50377652 , Z @ 945.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28963381
X @ 326.79312303 , Z @ 945.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28934651
X @ 327.08218300 , Z @ 945.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28905997
X @ 327.37095720 , Z @ 944.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28877420
X @ 327.65944637 , Z @ 944.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28848917
X @ 327.94765128 , Z @ 944.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28820490
X @ 328.23557266 , Z @ 944.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28792138
X @ 328.52321126 , Z @ 944.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28763860
X @ 328.81056783 , Z @ 944.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28735657
X @ 329.09764310 , Z @ 944.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28707527
X @ 329.38443781 , Z @ 944.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28679471
X @ 329.67095270 , Z @ 944.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28651489
X @ 329.95718849 , Z @ 944.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28623579
X @ 330.24314590 , Z @ 943.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28595741
X @ 330.52882566 , Z @ 943.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28567976
X @ 330.81422849 , Z @ 943.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28540283
X @ 331.09935511 , Z @ 943.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28512661
X @ 331.38420622 , Z @ 943.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28485111
X @ 331.66878254 , Z @ 943.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28457632
X @ 331.95308477 , Z @ 943.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28430223
X @ 332.23711362 , Z @ 943.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28402885
X @ 332.52086979 , Z @ 943.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28375617
X @ 332.80435398 , Z @ 943.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28348419
X @ 333.08756688 , Z @ 942.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28321290
X @ 333.37050917 , Z @ 942.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28294230
X @ 333.65318156 , Z @ 942.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28267239
X @ 333.93558472 , Z @ 942.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28240316
X @ 334.21771935 , Z @ 942.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28213462
X @ 334.49958610 , Z @ 942.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28186676
X @ 334.78118568 , Z @ 942.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28159957
X @ 335.06251874 , Z @ 942.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28133306
X @ 335.34358596 , Z @ 942.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28106722
X @ 335.62438800 , Z @ 942.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28080205
X @ 335.90492554 , Z @ 941.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28053754
X @ 336.18519923 , Z @ 941.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28027369
X @ 336.46520973 , Z @ 941.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.28001050
X @ 336.74495770 , Z @ 941.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27974797
X @ 337.02444380 , Z @ 941.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27948610
X @ 337.30366867 , Z @ 941.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27922487
X @ 337.58263296 , Z @ 941.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27896429
X @ 337.86133732 , Z @ 941.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27870436
X @ 338.13978239 , Z @ 941.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27844507
X @ 338.41796881 , Z @ 941.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27818642
X @ 338.69589722 , Z @ 940.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27792841
X @ 338.97356825 , Z @ 940.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27767103
X @ 339.25098254 , Z @ 940.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27741429
X @ 339.52814071 , Z @ 940.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27715817
X @ 339.80504339 , Z @ 940.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27690268
X @ 340.08169120 , Z @ 940.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27664781
X @ 340.35808478 , Z @ 940.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27639357
X @ 340.63422472 , Z @ 940.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27613995
X @ 340.91011166 , Z @ 940.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27588694
X @ 341.18574620 , Z @ 940.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27563454
X @ 341.46112896 , Z @ 939.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27538276
X @ 341.73626054 , Z @ 939.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27513158
X @ 342.01114156 , Z @ 939.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27488101
X @ 342.28577261 , Z @ 939.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27463105
X @ 342.56015429 , Z @ 939.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27438169
X @ 342.83428721 , Z @ 939.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27413292
X @ 343.10817196 , Z @ 939.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27388475
X @ 343.38180914 , Z @ 939.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27363718
X @ 343.65519933 , Z @ 939.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27339019
X @ 343.92834312 , Z @ 939.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27314380
X @ 344.20124111 , Z @ 938.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27289799
X @ 344.47389388 , Z @ 938.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27265276
X @ 344.74630200 , Z @ 938.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27240812
X @ 345.01846606 , Z @ 938.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27216406
X @ 345.29038663 , Z @ 938.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27192057
X @ 345.56206430 , Z @ 938.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27167766
X @ 345.83349962 , Z @ 938.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27143532
X @ 346.10469318 , Z @ 938.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27119356
X @ 346.37564553 , Z @ 938.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27095236
X @ 346.64635726 , Z @ 938.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27071172
X @ 346.91682891 , Z @ 937.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27047165
X @ 347.18706105 , Z @ 937.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.27023214
X @ 347.45705423 , Z @ 937.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26999319
X @ 347.72680903 , Z @ 937.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26975479
X @ 347.99632598 , Z @ 937.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26951695
X @ 348.26560564 , Z @ 937.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26927966
X @ 348.53464857 , Z @ 937.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26904293
X @ 348.80345531 , Z @ 937.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26880674
X @ 349.07202640 , Z @ 937.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26857109
X @ 349.34036239 , Z @ 937.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26833599
X @ 349.60846382 , Z @ 936.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26810143
X @ 349.87633123 , Z @ 936.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26786741
X @ 350.14396515 , Z @ 936.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26763392
X @ 350.41136613 , Z @ 936.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26740098
X @ 350.67853469 , Z @ 936.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26716856
X @ 350.94547136 , Z @ 936.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26693668
X @ 351.21217668 , Z @ 936.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26670532
X @ 351.47865117 , Z @ 936.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26647449
X @ 351.74489535 , Z @ 936.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26624418
X @ 352.01090976 , Z @ 936.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26601440
X @ 352.27669490 , Z @ 935.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26578514
X @ 352.54225129 , Z @ 935.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26555640
X @ 352.80757946 , Z @ 935.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26532817
X @ 353.07267992 , Z @ 935.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26510046
X @ 353.33755318 , Z @ 935.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26487326
X @ 353.60219974 , Z @ 935.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26464657
X @ 353.86662013 , Z @ 935.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26442039
X @ 354.13081484 , Z @ 935.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26419471
X @ 354.39478439 , Z @ 935.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26396954
X @ 354.65852927 , Z @ 935.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26374488
X @ 354.92204998 , Z @ 934.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26352071
X @ 355.18534702 , Z @ 934.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26329705
X @ 355.44842090 , Z @ 934.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26307388
X @ 355.71127210 , Z @ 934.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26285120
X @ 355.97390112 , Z @ 934.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26262902
X @ 356.23630845 , Z @ 934.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26240733
X @ 356.49849458 , Z @ 934.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26218613
X @ 356.76046000 , Z @ 934.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26196542
X @ 357.02220519 , Z @ 934.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26174519
X @ 357.28373063 , Z @ 934.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26152545
X @ 357.54503682 , Z @ 933.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26130619
X @ 357.80612423 , Z @ 933.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26108741
X @ 358.06699333 , Z @ 933.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26086910
X @ 358.32764461 , Z @ 933.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26065128
X @ 358.58807854 , Z @ 933.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26043393
X @ 358.84829560 , Z @ 933.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26021705
X @ 359.10829624 , Z @ 933.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.26000065
X @ 359.36808096 , Z @ 933.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25978471
X @ 359.62765020 , Z @ 933.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25956925
X @ 359.88700445 , Z @ 933.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25935424
X @ 360.14614415 , Z @ 932.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25913971
X @ 360.40506979 , Z @ 932.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25892563
X @ 360.66378181 , Z @ 932.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25871202
X @ 360.92228067 , Z @ 932.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25849887
X @ 361.18056685 , Z @ 932.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25828617
X @ 361.43864078 , Z @ 932.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25807393
X @ 361.69650292 , Z @ 932.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25786215
X @ 361.95415373 , Z @ 932.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25765081
X @ 362.21159366 , Z @ 932.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25743993
X @ 362.46882316 , Z @ 932.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25722950
X @ 362.72584267 , Z @ 931.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25701951
X @ 362.98265265 , Z @ 931.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25680997
X @ 363.23925353 , Z @ 931.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25660088
X @ 363.49564575 , Z @ 931.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25639223
X @ 363.75182977 , Z @ 931.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25618402
X @ 364.00780602 , Z @ 931.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25597625
X @ 364.26357493 , Z @ 931.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25576891
X @ 364.51913695 , Z @ 931.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25556202
X @ 364.77449250 , Z @ 931.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25535555
X @ 365.02964203 , Z @ 931.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25514953
X @ 365.28458596 , Z @ 930.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25494393
X @ 365.53932472 , Z @ 930.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25473876
X @ 365.79385875 , Z @ 930.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25453403
X @ 366.04818846 , Z @ 930.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25432972
X @ 366.30231429 , Z @ 930.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25412583
X @ 366.55623666 , Z @ 930.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25392237
X @ 366.80995599 , Z @ 930.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25371933
X @ 367.06347270 , Z @ 930.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25351671
X @ 367.31678722 , Z @ 930.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25331452
X @ 367.56989995 , Z @ 930.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25311274
X @ 367.82281133 , Z @ 929.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25291137
X @ 368.07552175 , Z @ 929.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25271042
X @ 368.32803164 , Z @ 929.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25250989
X @ 368.58034140 , Z @ 929.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25230977
X @ 368.83245146 , Z @ 929.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25211005
X @ 369.08436221 , Z @ 929.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25191075
X @ 369.33607407 , Z @ 929.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25171186
X @ 369.58758744 , Z @ 929.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25151337
X @ 369.83890272 , Z @ 929.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25131529
X @ 370.09002033 , Z @ 929.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25111761
X @ 370.34094066 , Z @ 928.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25092033
X @ 370.59166411 , Z @ 928.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25072345
X @ 370.84219108 , Z @ 928.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25052697
X @ 371.09252197 , Z @ 928.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25033089
X @ 371.34265718 , Z @ 928.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.25013521
X @ 371.59259711 , Z @ 928.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24993992
X @ 371.84234213 , Z @ 928.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24974503
X @ 372.09189266 , Z @ 928.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24955053
X @ 372.34124907 , Z @ 928.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24935641
X @ 372.59041177 , Z @ 928.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24916269
X @ 372.83938113 , Z @ 927.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24896936
X @ 373.08815754 , Z @ 927.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24877642
X @ 373.33674140 , Z @ 927.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24858386
X @ 373.58513308 , Z @ 927.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24839168
X @ 373.83333297 , Z @ 927.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24819989
X @ 374.08134145 , Z @ 927.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24800848
X @ 374.32915889 , Z @ 927.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24781745
X @ 374.57678569 , Z @ 927.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24762680
X @ 374.82422221 , Z @ 927.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24743652
X @ 375.07146884 , Z @ 927.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24724663
X @ 375.31852594 , Z @ 926.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24705710
X @ 375.56539390 , Z @ 926.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24686796
X @ 375.81207308 , Z @ 926.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24667918
X @ 376.05856386 , Z @ 926.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24649078
X @ 376.30486661 , Z @ 926.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24630275
X @ 376.55098169 , Z @ 926.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24611508
X @ 376.79690948 , Z @ 926.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24592779
X @ 377.04265033 , Z @ 926.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24574086
X @ 377.28820463 , Z @ 926.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24555429
X @ 377.53357272 , Z @ 926.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24536809
X @ 377.77875497 , Z @ 925.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24518225
X @ 378.02375175 , Z @ 925.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24499678
X @ 378.26856341 , Z @ 925.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24481166
X @ 378.51319032 , Z @ 925.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24462691
X @ 378.75763283 , Z @ 925.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24444251
X @ 379.00189130 , Z @ 925.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24425847
X @ 379.24596608 , Z @ 925.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24407478
X @ 379.48985753 , Z @ 925.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24389145
X @ 379.73356600 , Z @ 925.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24370847
X @ 379.97709184 , Z @ 925.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24352584
X @ 380.22043541 , Z @ 924.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24334357
X @ 380.46359705 , Z @ 924.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24316164
X @ 380.70657712 , Z @ 924.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24298007
X @ 380.94937596 , Z @ 924.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24279884
X @ 381.19199391 , Z @ 924.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24261795
X @ 381.43443132 , Z @ 924.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24243742
X @ 381.67668855 , Z @ 924.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24225722
X @ 381.91876592 , Z @ 924.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24207737
X @ 382.16066378 , Z @ 924.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24189786
X @ 382.40238247 , Z @ 924.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24171869
X @ 382.64392233 , Z @ 923.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24153986
X @ 382.88528370 , Z @ 923.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24136137
X @ 383.12646692 , Z @ 923.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24118322
X @ 383.36747232 , Z @ 923.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24100540
X @ 383.60830024 , Z @ 923.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24082792
X @ 383.84895101 , Z @ 923.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24065077
X @ 384.08942497 , Z @ 923.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24047396
X @ 384.32972244 , Z @ 923.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24029747
X @ 384.56984376 , Z @ 923.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.24012132
X @ 384.80978926 , Z @ 923.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23994550
X @ 385.04955927 , Z @ 922.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23977000
X @ 385.28915410 , Z @ 922.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23959484
X @ 385.52857410 , Z @ 922.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23942000
X @ 385.76781959 , Z @ 922.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23924548
X @ 386.00689088 , Z @ 922.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23907129
X @ 386.24578831 , Z @ 922.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23889743
X @ 386.48451220 , Z @ 922.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23872389
X @ 386.72306286 , Z @ 922.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23855066
X @ 386.96144062 , Z @ 922.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23837776
X @ 387.19964580 , Z @ 922.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23820518
X @ 387.43767871 , Z @ 921.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23803291
X @ 387.67553968 , Z @ 921.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23786097
X @ 387.91322901 , Z @ 921.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23768934
X @ 388.15074704 , Z @ 921.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23751802
X @ 388.38809405 , Z @ 921.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23734702
X @ 388.62527039 , Z @ 921.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23717633
X @ 388.86227634 , Z @ 921.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23700596
X @ 389.09911223 , Z @ 921.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23683589
X @ 389.33577837 , Z @ 921.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23666614
X @ 389.57227507 , Z @ 921.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23649669
X @ 389.80860262 , Z @ 920.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23632756
X @ 390.04476135 , Z @ 920.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23615873
X @ 390.28075156 , Z @ 920.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23599021
X @ 390.51657355 , Z @ 920.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23582199
X @ 390.75222763 , Z @ 920.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23565408
X @ 390.98771410 , Z @ 920.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23548647
X @ 391.22303326 , Z @ 920.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23531916
X @ 391.45818542 , Z @ 920.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23515216
X @ 391.69317088 , Z @ 920.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23498546
X @ 391.92798994 , Z @ 920.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23481905
X @ 392.16264288 , Z @ 919.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23465295
X @ 392.39713003 , Z @ 919.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23448714
X @ 392.63145166 , Z @ 919.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23432163
X @ 392.86560808 , Z @ 919.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23415642
X @ 393.09959958 , Z @ 919.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23399150
X @ 393.33342646 , Z @ 919.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23382688
X @ 393.56708901 , Z @ 919.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23366255
X @ 393.80058752 , Z @ 919.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23349851
X @ 394.03392228 , Z @ 919.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23333476
X @ 394.26709359 , Z @ 919.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23317131
X @ 394.50010173 , Z @ 918.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23300814
X @ 394.73294700 , Z @ 918.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23284527
X @ 394.96562968 , Z @ 918.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23268268
X @ 395.19815005 , Z @ 918.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23252038
X @ 395.43050842 , Z @ 918.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23235836
X @ 395.66270505 , Z @ 918.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23219663
X @ 395.89474023 , Z @ 918.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23203519
X @ 396.12661426 , Z @ 918.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23187403
X @ 396.35832741 , Z @ 918.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23171315
X @ 396.58987996 , Z @ 918.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23155255
X @ 396.82127219 , Z @ 917.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23139223
X @ 397.05250439 , Z @ 917.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23123220
X @ 397.28357683 , Z @ 917.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23107244
X @ 397.51448980 , Z @ 917.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23091297
X @ 397.74524357 , Z @ 917.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23075377
X @ 397.97583841 , Z @ 917.40, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23059484
X @ 398.20627461 , Z @ 917.30, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23043620
X @ 398.43655244 , Z @ 917.20, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23027783
X @ 398.66667217 , Z @ 917.10, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.23011973
X @ 398.89663408 , Z @ 917.00, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.22996191
X @ 399.12643843 , Z @ 916.90, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.22980436
X @ 399.35608551 , Z @ 916.80, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.22964708
X @ 399.58557559 , Z @ 916.70, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.22949007
X @ 399.81490892 , Z @ 916.60, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.22933334
X @ 400.04408579 , Z @ 916.50, delta Z 0.10000000 > delta X = 0.22917687
Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
That is good to know.DeltaCon wrote:To reassure anyone with interest in a SeeMeCNC Delta, In the past (Rostock Models V1 and V2) everybody was always busy upgrading machines with different arms, different skates, different hotends and different controllers. I think SeeMeCNC took that as criticism because the later models incorporated almost all of those mods into a new version, the V3.2. The reason for not hearing much about it, is because there really is not much to be desired after buying this machine . Also much of the attention get's stolen by the Artemis.
Thank you and @geneb for the information. I would have though that there would be a lot more information (in the form of reviews) of the printer if it was as good as everyone here claims. I understand that the Artemis is stealing the spotlight but it's also 2X2.5X as expensive so, again, I would have expected *someone* to review the Rostock for the price range that it is at.

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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
From my perspective, as the owner of effectively a Rostock max 2.2 (Duet, autoleveling, and all the other fancy stuff I wanted), the 3.2 is a really nice machine, since it eliminates the need for something like 500$ worth of upgrades I've done (~100$ total in FSR system, ~175200 in the duet, ~100$ in effector parts from 713maker, E3D hotend), and is a lot easier to assemble, and calibrate. All for about the same kit price. I think that's a major win for SeeMeCNC. I've not worked with a V3.2 specifically, but I have worked with a V3 for a short period of time, and the controller platform used in the V3.2. I would not hesitate to endorse it at all.
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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
Most of the "big names" on YouTube are there because manufacturers give them the machines for free to review and they are good at yakking. I'm thinking SeemeCnc doesn't play those games. The " big names" are not going to go out and buy one. Plus if average Joe does his own review it would get swallowed up in all the other crap with 100 views.fulcrum wrote:, I would have expected *someone* to review the Rostock for the price range that it is at.
None of the big names on YouTube have done reviews on it.
The SeemeCnc deltas are the real thing that work really well.
Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
I am very happy to read the response on here. I am (so far) pretty much set on getting this eventually.joe wrote:Most of the "big names" on YouTube are there because manufacturers give them the machines for free to review and they are good at yakking. I'm thinking SeemeCnc doesn't play those games. The " big names" are not going to go out and buy one. Plus if average Joe does his own review it would get swallowed up in all the other crap with 100 views.fulcrum wrote:, I would have expected *someone* to review the Rostock for the price range that it is at.
None of the big names on YouTube have done reviews on it.
The SeemeCnc deltas are the real thing that work really well.
However, your response just doesn't make sense to me. The "big names" are big exactly because they don't just "yak". Look at some of their videos and you'll see that they actually put effort into doing serious and honest reviews. Granted, they do get the machines for free but so what? That does not diminish the value of their reviews.
You say that SeeMeCNC doesn't play "those games". What games are those? Sending a printer to someone that could influence the decision of multiple potential buyers? That's just throwing a bunch of free marketing away, isn't it?. And, it's not like they [SeeMeCNC] don't send free machines to people. I've seen YouTube videos of people who flat out say that they got their machine donated.
Just to give you an example from personal experience  some of those "big names" pointed me to the Prusa i3. That is the first time I heard about that printer (I was fairly new to the game). I was pretty set on buying one because I valued their reviews. What turned me off of it was the business practices of the company. Had any one of them ever mentioned the Rostock, I would have zeroed in on it much earlier. I am fairly sure that there are a lot of other people out there that are just starting out or looking for their next printer. Keeping the Rostock the "hidden" gem of the delta printer is hurting more than it's helping, in my opinion.
Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
SeeMeCNC is a pretty small company with pretty large capabilities. Every injection molded part on one of their printers was built from molds machined onsite and shot on injection molding machines that are also onsite. You're not going to find that in any 3D printer built inside the USA. I would recommend you hop over to the SeeMeCNC facebook group and ask folks there what they think of the printer. It's a selfselected sample group for sure, but they're not going to blow smoke up your shorts if they don't like something.
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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
Thank you. I dont use Facebook and the groups is closed for anyone not logged in. I am not going to create a Facebook account just for this but thank you for the pointer. I guess I'll have to rely on all the input/info I get on the forums.geneb wrote:SeeMeCNC is a pretty small company with pretty large capabilities. Every injection molded part on one of their printers was built from molds machined onsite and shot on injection molding machines that are also onsite. You're not going to find that in any 3D printer built inside the USA. I would recommend you hop over to the SeeMeCNC facebook group and ask folks there what they think of the printer. It's a selfselected sample group for sure, but they're not going to blow smoke up your shorts if they don't like something.
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Re: Rostock MAX v3.2 reviews
fulcrum wrote:joe wrote:fulcrum wrote:,
You say that SeeMeCNC doesn't play "those games". What games are those? Sending a printer to someone that could influence the decision of multiple potential buyers? That's just throwing a bunch of free marketing away, isn't it?. /quote]
Perhaps this type of youtube big name would sell some printers? don't get your knickers in a knot. Just having some
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To be honest, I thought the same when I first saw her channel. However, all kidding aside, she has done a lot for the community. Just research her work in getting Creality to understand, comply, and follow the GPL.joe wrote:fulcrum wrote:joe wrote:
Perhaps this type of youtube big name would sell some printers? don't get your knickers in a knot. Just having some fun.
https://youtu.be/8fVP1VckD2U
Despite appearances, she is respected in the 3d printing community and people familiar with her and her work place a value on her opinion. So, yes, she will sell some printers but not for the reason you think.
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Naomi is pretty awesome. If it weren't for the basement dwelling incels of the world, she'd be getting the kudos she's earned.
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I think I can add my two cents here.
I bought my first 3D printer 6 years ago from seemeCNC, a rostock Max (I think it was V0.001 LOL). It was acrylic cut and was HARD FUN to assemble, configure and make it work. However, once tuned, it produced really nice prints. But from now and then you have to redo the calibration and that was a Pain in the Neck!
Out of frustration, I bought a Cartesian printer, just to learn that while they were easier to make them print, the results were not different than my Rostock. Most importantly, when I ran into problems with my cartesian, I couldn't find a mature and incredible community like the one here in SeemeCNC to help me out!
Since then I've been upgrading my machine (carbon fiber rods, all metal nozzle, etc) I bought a V1, V2, V3 and now an Artemis (while converting the V3 to V3.2). Also, I bought a large cartesian (20"x20"x20") ... nothing like my deltas
The Artemis (I cannot talk about 3.2 yet, but I understand they are similar) is a state of the art machine. I would probably only compare against the Ultimaker.
I cannot say anything but good things about these machines, SeemeCNC AND (very important!) the community supporting it!.
I bought my first 3D printer 6 years ago from seemeCNC, a rostock Max (I think it was V0.001 LOL). It was acrylic cut and was HARD FUN to assemble, configure and make it work. However, once tuned, it produced really nice prints. But from now and then you have to redo the calibration and that was a Pain in the Neck!
Out of frustration, I bought a Cartesian printer, just to learn that while they were easier to make them print, the results were not different than my Rostock. Most importantly, when I ran into problems with my cartesian, I couldn't find a mature and incredible community like the one here in SeemeCNC to help me out!
Since then I've been upgrading my machine (carbon fiber rods, all metal nozzle, etc) I bought a V1, V2, V3 and now an Artemis (while converting the V3 to V3.2). Also, I bought a large cartesian (20"x20"x20") ... nothing like my deltas
The Artemis (I cannot talk about 3.2 yet, but I understand they are similar) is a state of the art machine. I would probably only compare against the Ultimaker.
I cannot say anything but good things about these machines, SeemeCNC AND (very important!) the community supporting it!.
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Wow, I think her top is glued to her uhm... spools.
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Thanks for the feedback!artexmg wrote: I cannot say anything but good things about these machines, SeemeCNC AND (very important!) the community supporting it!.
One thing that I am still unclear about is the SE300 hotend on the v3.2. In particular, what temperatures can it reach? Can it print high temp materials?
There are a couple of posts [url=http://forum.seemecnc.com/viewtopic.php?f=1 ... 00#p109033]here[/url] and [url=http://forum.seemecnc.com/viewtopic.php?f=3 ... 00#p108828]here[/url] that seem to indicate that it cannot hold high temperatures (as well as the bed not being able to reach temps required for such materials).
I've also read that for high temp materials, you need the jet. However, the jet is not recommended for low temp materials. Do I really need to change the hotend every time I want to switch for low to high temp material and vice versa?
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The SE300 can hit at least 280C. The Jet liner isn't applicable to the SE300  that's only needed for the HE280 hot end. The filament path in the SE300 is all metal, unlike the HE280, thus the liner requirement.
Note that the HE280 hot end is not used with the Rostock MAX 3.2, it's only in the v3.
If you have an actual requirement for a bed that can hit 120C+, you want an Artemis. It has an allmetal chassis and uses a 110v heater.
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Note that the HE280 hot end is not used with the Rostock MAX 3.2, it's only in the v3.
If you have an actual requirement for a bed that can hit 120C+, you want an Artemis. It has an allmetal chassis and uses a 110v heater.
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Oh, I didn't know that the SE300 doesn't require a jet liner. This is good news.geneb wrote:The SE300 can hit at least 280C. The Jet liner isn't applicable to the SE300  that's only needed for the HE280 hot end. The filament path in the SE300 is all metal, unlike the HE280, thus the liner requirement.
While I would love an Artemis, it's just prohibitively expensive for me. Since it doesn't come as a kit, it's more than twice the price of the v3.2 kit. Even if it did, I would suspect that the kit would be in the $2K range, which is still too much for me.geneb wrote: If you have an actual requirement for a bed that can hit 120C+, you want an Artemis. It has an allmetal chassis and uses a 110v heater.
The v3.2 is specified as only 100C tops. Are you saying that it can actually hit 120C?
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The PCBstyle heater that the v3.2 uses may be able to hit 100C, but I've never personally tried anything higher than 90C.
If your bedheat need is driven by a requirement to print ABS, you should enclose the printer and that will help offset any problems associated with a lower bed temp.
An enclosure is pretty much a requirement for ABS anyway  I've ruined ABS prints in the past just by walking past a printer too quickly.
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If your bedheat need is driven by a requirement to print ABS, you should enclose the printer and that will help offset any problems associated with a lower bed temp.
An enclosure is pretty much a requirement for ABS anyway  I've ruined ABS prints in the past just by walking past a printer too quickly.
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This is not good!! I am kind of the opinion that a modern 3d printer should not need an enclose for ABS. ABS should be printable without an enclosure if your bed can hit 105120C and reliably maintain that temp. Modern day printers should be able to do that.geneb wrote:The PCBstyle heater that the v3.2 uses may be able to hit 100C, but I've never personally tried anything higher than 90C.
If your bedheat need is driven by a requirement to print ABS, you should enclose the printer and that will help offset any problems associated with a lower bed temp.
An enclosure is pretty much a requirement for ABS anyway  I've ruined ABS prints in the past just by walking past a printer too quickly.
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I guess a bed header upgrade might be the first upgrade that will be needed for the v3.2
(To be honest, what I would really want is an upgraded header with a heat spreader topped by a flex sheet PEI surface like the [url=https://www.buildtak.com/product/buildtakflexplatesystem/]Buildtak[/url].)
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High bed temperature will sure help against ABS shrinkage in a real airstill environment, but is primarily needed for a good bedadhesion. You cannot heatup against flowing cool air at 50mm above bed level. Like Gene says, you will ruin your print just by walking by. bedheat is no solution for that, an enclosure is though, in 2 regards: 1) it will prevent roomtemperature air to touch the print (and cause immediate shrink of the part) and 2) the temperature of the air around the part wil be much higher due ti it being stuck in your enclosure. That makes the heating of the part by the bed a whole lot more efficient. I don't think ANY of that has to do with a printer being modern.
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Physics disagrees with your opinion.fulcrum wrote: This is not good!! I am kind of the opinion that a modern 3d printer should not need an enclose for ABS. ABS should be printable without an enclosure if your bed can hit 105120C and reliably maintain that temp. Modern day printers should be able to do that.
Without an enclosure, that super hot bed isn't going to help beyond a centimeter or two. It's not a fault of the printer, it's how heat dissipation works. If you can't "hold" the heat in a specific place, that heat is going to try it's best to heat the whole room.
Look at any highend commercial offering from the likes of Stratasys or 3D Systems. Every ABS printer they offer includes not only an enclosure, but heaters that are specifically dedicated to heating the interior of the printer to well over 100C. The heated bed keeps the part in place and the "oven" ensures that as the ABS cools, it will do so symmetrically and in a controlled manner.
Asymmetric cooling is what kills ABS prints. As ABS cools, it shrinks[*]. When it cools asymmetrically, it can literally tear itself off a bed plate, or split in half along layer lines.
The barrier to getting an affordable printer with a heated chamber is patents. Until the patents that Stratasys (and probably 3D Systems) expire, there's no legal way for companies like SeeMeCNC to offer a heated chamber  Stratasys certainly isn't going to license the patents to a competitor. Even if they did, those license fees would likely put the printer into the $50k+ range.
Now all that being said, people can and do print successfully with ABS, but they do it with an enclosure of some kind.
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* ABS can shrink anywhere from 6 to 11 percent, depending on the formulation of the ABS you're printing with. This is something most folks don't take into account when printing a part. This results in much teeth gnashing and blame storming when the part comes out under size.
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I did not know that, thanks for the info. On the other hand it would be (for companies like SeeMeCNC) be very easy to "accommodate without advertising" a system for easy placement of homebrew sidepanels. Simply exchanging the 20x20 extrusions for 40x20 and revert to a TrickLaserstyle carriage that does not fully go around the extrusion makes it VERY easy to fit acrylic panels into the notused VSlots of the extrusions. For the Artemis that would have been a nobrainer since by using linear rails the sideways pointed VSlots are already empty to be used for something else. The only thing that is wrong about the Artemis in that regard is the fact that they designed a triangular base instead of a round one.geneb wrote:The barrier to getting an affordable printer with a heated chamber is patents. Until the patents that Stratasys (and probably 3D Systems) expire, there's no legal way for companies like SeeMeCNC to offer a heated chamber
@SteveWygant: this Idea is free of charge, just send me the betatest of your new design and I will provide further "HomeBrew instructions" to the community!
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