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I can finally print a calibration cube!

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Special thanks to every one who went out of their way to help me, and to keep me from giving up!!!! I owe you all a drink!
I very nearly quit. I've read every troubleshooting post since July 2013 in the hopes I would find something to help me. I posted a couple of times and you guys were amazingly supportive. But the problem turned out to be a bad part and it's amazing to me how something so small could result in such bad prints.

Here's my story:

After over a year of failed print after failed print, taking my machine apart and rebuilding from scratch 4 times (last time to replace with tricklaser melamine and tricklaser print arms). After frying the Rambo board (I had a short)
After buying and giving away kilos of what I thought was bad plastic (even the neon green from SeemeCNC). After printing out an average of 20 calibration cubes a week (changing one thing and printing again). After altering temps by 5 degrees, slowing prints down to 5mm/sec, IOW trying every single suggestion I've seen posted.

After the people on this board spending their time trying to help me (thank you, thank you, thank you, btw!)

I've finally figured out what what is wrong, and fixed it.

Some of the problems were mine, (tricklaser arms are 270mm not 269, and don't fry your electronics), but two were SeemeCNC quality control issues (I purchased my kit in before March 2013) and they were remarkably hard to pin down and fix.

1. My Onyx bed heats up so warped that when it is at temperature (95-100C) the area between 1-2 o'clock is 0.5cm different than the center of the bed. Fyi: its opposite side, 7-8 o'clock is the same as the center. I finally heated it up, and shimmed it. It is about .1mm off now. So after that, I could move on. But after massive calibration trials - here's the best I could do. This is protoparadigm ABS averaging 1.75mm, 215 degrees, half speed, otherwise SeemeCNC recommended Slic3r ABS settings.

Fyi: cube is 0.75 high but otherwise same dimensions - got tired of wasting plastic.
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That was the *BEST* print I ever got. I also tried MHackney's Kisslicer settings and Cura. Same or worse.

2. This is the killer: Apparently some of the .5mm nozzles sent out with the kits were really not .5mm -- after reading the whole post and threads about Xaron's magnetic arms, at one point he mentions his nozzle being mislabeled. He said that printing into the air the strand diameter was about .8-.9mm not .6 where it should have been. So thinking I had nothing left to try, I printed into the air, measured it and so was mine. So, I pulled the .5 nozzle off a friend's printer and tried it. Look at this print - I didn't change a thing, except the nozzle.
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I'm both massively pleased and pissed at the same time. I nearly gave up. I thought I'd failed (self esteem took huge hit) I lost weeks/months of free time to calibration, I spent so much extra money, I bought kilos of plastic from all different sources to make sure that it wasn't just a bad batch. I replaced the whole frame, thinking maybe I'd bent or twisted something, and it turns out to be a bad part. (a very small, $5 bad part). Don't get me wrong, I'm *thrilled* it's working, but damn.

Sometime during this whole thing, my LCD panel stopped working (just square blocks, and now nothing) so I'm going to have to spend more to replace it. UGH!

A last major thank you, this is a great board is full of amazing people.

Anyway: If your cube has gauges or arches and lots of loops plastic in the center - check your nozzle size is correct.
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Re: I can finally print a calibration cube!

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sandy wrote: Some of the problems were mine, (tricklaser arms are 270mm not 269, and don't fry your electronics), but two were SeemeCNC quality control issues (I purchased my kit in before March 2013) and they were remarkably hard to pin down and fix.
What quality control issues were you experiencing? How did you fix them?
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Re: I can finally print a calibration cube!

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Some of the earlier kits had qc issues. 2. Issues:

1. I got one of the first kits w/ Onyx included. It warped badly, and I fixed it by shimming(after heating it up, of course).
2. Wrong nozzle size. Kit claimed nozzle was .5mm - it was actually .71mm - this was only fixed by pulling the nozzle off an old mendelmax and trying it. I've read that other people had this problem, too. But, SeemeCNC seems to have fixed the issue with their supplier, and it hasn't happened in a while.

It didn't occur to me that this would be a problem. I'm sure, if I'd found out earlier, the guys at SeemeCNC would have happily replaced it.

Btw: I've ordered a .35mm from SeemeCNC, it should get here by Friday.
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Re: I can finally print a calibration cube!

Post by bvandiepenbos »

WOW, you sure have a lot of perseverance!
sorry to hear you had so much grief.
Glad you are printing well finally.
Sounds like the bad nozzle was your main trouble, thanks for sharing, now we all know to double check that!

The Trick Laser CF arms are built on a fixture and should be 269mm center to center just like OEM arms.
The arm length will not effect the print quality substantially, you often have to tweak the printer radius anyway on a new build to get travel as close to perfect as possible.
Double check that all the arms are same length and let me know.
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Re: I can finally print a calibration cube!

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This sort of thing happens w/ bleeding edge kits. I just wish it had been *more* of a problem. Then it would have received more attention and I would have looked at it sooner. SeemeCNC are great people and the Rostock is a beautiful machine and now,
mine is printing almost perfectly.

I just printed one of Emmet's gear bearings - and it is spinning beautifully. Tight tolerances and all. This is the first non-calibration thing I've ever printed. and it worked the second try - fyi: Slic3r connects the inner bearings together so it won't spin. Kisslicer w/ Mhackneys settings worked for this.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:53451

Again, I have to give props to everybody on the forum. I would have given up if it weren't for you guys.
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Wow, almost a year after getting it :) I bet it feels great to have it running like you know it should!
I loved my Rostock so much I now sell them in Oz :)
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Sandy, I'm glad this worked out for you. A lot of people would have given up but you stuck with it which shows the kind
of person you are. Congratulations for not giving up.
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