Interesting new Diamond hotend 3x filament

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Xenocrates
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Re: Interesting new Diamond hotend 3x filament

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The magnet idea is un-patentable. Raymond May is an example of prior art in the domain, while JJ's would also serve as prior art blocking Makerbot's patent. This isn't even getting into the magnetic bases used for physics experiments, which is where Raymond's design came from. Thus, the "invention" is obvious and not novel, and any patents granted for it would be invalidated soon after a lawsuit began, especially considering the recent case law based around Alice It is pretty darned cool though.

Personal opinion:
Patents are mostly not helpful anymore, as they no longer require precise language, specific descriptions, or working implementations. Many patents block innovation rather than advancing it. If we could allow innovators with no intention of profiting from it to submit their stuff the the PTO and thus invalidate any future applications with that technology, it would be far better as a system.
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Re: Interesting new Diamond hotend 3x filament

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Xenocrates wrote:The magnet idea is un-patentable. Raymond May is an example of prior art in the domain, while JJ's would also serve as prior art blocking Makerbot's patent. This isn't even getting into the magnetic bases used for physics experiments, which is where Raymond's design came from. Thus, the "invention" is obvious and not novel, and any patents granted for it would be invalidated soon after a lawsuit began, especially considering the recent case law based around Alice It is pretty darned cool though.

Personal opinion:
Patents are mostly not helpful anymore, as they no longer require precise language, specific descriptions, or working implementations. Many patents block innovation rather than advancing it. If we could allow innovators with no intention of profiting from it to submit their stuff the the PTO and thus invalidate any future applications with that technology, it would be far better as a system.
I agree. It was sort of a joke. Patent trolls are the worst. It cost money to file lawsuits. All they got to do is ask for less to settle than you'd have to pay the lawers and most companies will settle. Seems like that might be changing though,
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Re: Interesting new Diamond hotend 3x filament

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Thankfully, due to a few large changes in attitude recently, such as the Alice and Octane Fitness rulings, as well as Newegg's success at litigating against them (And Lee Cheng's personal distaste and intervention against them), even though the government has yet to create effective laws against them, patent trolls and NPE's are finding the profitability of abusing patents is in serious doubt.

And it was hard to tell it was a joke, considering Takerbot has done similar things before (Or tried. Prior art once again was what killed them) Tone is interesting and difficult in writing (Poe's law, for example)
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Re: Interesting new Diamond hotend 3x filament

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Xenocrates wrote:First question, are you sure that it's a genuine Diamond hotend? I tend to distrust anything from Ebay, especially hotends.
This point is my problem, with E3D V6 hotend, no problem to obtaint 220°C with 12V.
Xenocrates wrote:Secondly, have you adjusted the PID drive max for E1?
I don't change this parameters
Xenocrates wrote:Thirdly, Is it properly assembled, with the insulating sheet keeping the fan from blowing on the brass portion?
Actually, I used a demake-up cotton of my wife, but I have buy Ceramic Fiber Heat Insulation Blanket Wood Stoves Inserts 2mm.
Xenocrates wrote:Fourthly, Is your thermistor properly mounted and in good contact with the block?
when a change the insulating sheet, I check this point.

What is your temprature setting for PLA and ABS ?
For me, it's very difficul to extruder under 215°c with PLA
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Re: Interesting new Diamond hotend 3x filament

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Alright then. Check if your heater cartridge is the 30W version. E3D changed over to 30W cartridges to make their hotends safer (As they cannot reach really high temperature with that, they hit thermal equilibrium at ~300C with a normal E3D. The diamond is larger and will dissipate more heat, meaning it's thermal equilibrium is lower). If so, that may be it. I would also bump up your PID drive max to 255 (Or whatever the highest value your firmware allows), as that will increase the power that the board is willing to pump into the hotend. Do that before you spend more money. It may be the root cause of your issue, rather than anything else.

I'm very glad you have a proper insulating sheet now. The cotton was potentially asking for trouble (while the auto-ignition point is 400C, at 210C it will sustain flames easily, so if something sparked it, there would be much badness) Not only that, but a better insulating sheet means you should be able to get slightly higher temperatures and waste less energy.

Now, I print mostly ABS, rather than PLA. I also changed both hotend, and sensor type since I last printed PLA, and never bothered to check accuracy on the PLA temps. I also use a very different setup, with steel nozzles on my E3D, so my temperatures won't help you much. But I use 220-240 for ABS (Usually ~235, as the higher temp means that despite lower thermal transfer, the steel nozzle adequately heats the filament). I used 210 for PLA with the stock hotend/sensor. Again, this is probably not going to help you much, as you likely are using colored PLA (I didn't), which changes it's properties, as well as having very different nozzle geometries and hotend properties.
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