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Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:15 pm
by dbarrans
Is there a way to calibrate the temp readout from the RAMBo based on actual temp readings from a thermocouple in the barrel? Well, it's only software, so I know it can be done, but is that capability already designed into any of the firmware alternatives?

- dan

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:31 am
by mhackney
Lot's of info on how to use Taulman Nylon here. And this page and thing will help get you started too.

I am printing with a .5mm nozzle at 245°C, 6mm retraction, no wipe, I print on a 1/8" cast nylon sheet unheated. I am interested in trying the poplar wood recommendation. A lot cheaper than nylon sheet!

Taulman Nylon does not flow as easily as PLA or ABS. It gives your extruder a workout.

You can create a custom thermistor table but I have not taken the time to do that.

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:38 am
by Eaglezsoar
mhackney wrote:Lot's of info on how to use Taulman Nylon here. And this page and thing will help get you started too.

I am printing with a .5mm nozzle at 245°C, 6mm retraction, no wipe, I print on a 1/8" cast nylon sheet unheated. I am interested in trying the poplar wood recommendation. A lot cheaper than nylon sheet!

Taulman Nylon does not flow as easily as PLA or ABS. It gives your extruder a workout.

You can create a custom thermistor table but I have not taken the time to do that.
Do you know of any place on the net where they explain how the firmware uses the thermistor table and how to create a custom table?
Carl

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:49 am
by mhackney
Go to the Arduino.cc site and search there. I recall last year that the generic temp measurement stuff is there and was well documented and had links to other sources.

EDIT: had a chance to search. Here is the link: http://playground.arduino.cc/Code/PIDLibrary
and here: http://playground.arduino.cc//Main/Inte ... e#envtture

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:22 pm
by Eaglezsoar
Thanks for the links. I always thought that the thermistor tables were part of Marlin and Repetier firmware but I see they are handled by the core firmware for the Arduino.
I think you could spend your lifetime reading and you would need another lifetime to read some more. There is so much knowledge out there......
Carl

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:26 pm
by mhackney
Yes, and there is even MORE information out there! (think about it)

cheers,
Michael

Repetier Host freezing update

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:19 am
by mhackney
Ok, I have at least made some progress. It turns out that Repetier on Mac OSX will freeze 100% of the time when the screensaver kicks in. I can either disable screen saver or print directly from SD and all is well. Here is a 3 hour print - 100mm tall that completed successfully:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v81 ... 0234-3.jpg[/img]

I started printing a big brother at 250mm tall and had to leave the house. I disabled screen saver by moving my mouse cursor to a "hot spot" in the corner. While I was out my son decided to use my computer (which he is not supposed to do!). When I got back I had this nice bowl:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v2 ... 0184-3.jpg[/img]


I'm printing from SD card now, this vase will be 9.8" tall, natural PLA with 2 perimeter walls.

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:36 am
by cambo3d
hey there that looks good!

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:45 am
by mhackney
The quality is looking great. I am getting this printer really dialed in. Positional accuracy and speed are second to none from what I've seen. Bowden extruders take a little finesse and understanding but can also be dialed in with some care. This natural PLA is really spectacular. Translucent and almost glows. I really like it.

I attempted one of these in black ABS. Whoops! ABS is difficult to print large thin walled objects like this due to shrinkage, resulting in delamintation. This is the Lava Vase and was going to be a monster. After an overnight print, I woke up in the morning to find this:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v56 ... 6710-3.jpg[/img]

The fact that I keep the evening temp in my house much lower didn't help either I suspect. PLA is much more forgiving for these types of objects, less shrinkage and better interlayer bonding. You just need to make sure to have a fan on your cool zone on the hot end to avoid plugging and smaller parts and heavy infills require a separate cooling fan.

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:36 pm
by Polygonhell
Just bump the temperature by 5 degrees or so and the ABS will likely stop delaminating.
Ambient temperature though does make a huge difference, I have prints where I can see the exact layer that a window was opened in my house.

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:39 pm
by mhackney
Yeah, I was printing the black vase at about 5°C higher than normal. The bottom 2 cm (100 layers) are perfect. That's when I went to bed. Temp in house lowers to 62°F. Almost immediately see delams.

I am experimenting with a small hot water heater insulation wrap. Drop it over the max to keep heat in and maybe add a small IR heater or heat lamp to kick the temp up a bit. That might work and be easy/cheap to try.

Magnificently large print

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:19 am
by mhackney
I just finished this 14 hour print. 250mm / 9.8" tall and 178mm / 7" at its girth. .25mm layers printed at 40mm/s in natural PLA. Two perimeters and that's it.

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v22 ... 0534-3.jpg[/img]

Here is a closer photo:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v6/ ... 0570-3.jpg[/img]

It's a rather stunning piece in person. The PLA almost glows and is translucent. Absolutely no cleanup is required, the layers are all tight and excellent. The positional accuracy of the Rostock MAX over this large of a piece is stunning.


This is the most perfect one of these I've made and MUCH bigger than any other. By way of comparison, here is a 100mm tall version of the same piece next to this monster:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v54 ... 4620-3.jpg[/img]

I'll take much better photos of it off the machine later.

cheers,
Michael

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:45 am
by ApacheXMD
Holy moly. That is beautiful! Any chance of a macro shot showing close up surface quality?

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:40 am
by Flateric
Really nice man! You must have had that fullfilling feeling there I bet!

I also noticed your "extra" spool holder just hanging out there waiting for the second extruder hardware to be installed.

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:33 am
by Schneider
Fantastic!

Any news about the new extruder part you were working on ?

First of 4 blog posts on CNCCookbook

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:00 pm
by mhackney
I think I announced earlier that I've been invited to blog about 3D printing as a guest contributor on the CNCCookbook site. I just post the first of a 4 part series today:

3D Printing 101: Part 1: 3D Printer Basics
3D Printing 101: Part 2: Mechanics
3D Printing 101: Part 3: Electronics
3D Printing 101: Part 4: Software

Thought you might find them interesting.

regards,
Michael

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:09 pm
by JakeCShake
Very nice writing....led me to research some of the innovators of this field. Loved it....but check for grammatical errors (not bad, just one....hehe)....

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:12 pm
by mhackney
Please tell me where! I am a stickler for grammar.

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:24 pm
by JakeCShake
"At its root, 3D printing is a form of additive manufacturing. Contrast this with machining methods – milling, drilling, cutting, turning – all subtractive manufacturing technologies.  The basic idea of making a 3 dimension object by building up small particles or  strands of material is really as hold as human history"

Sorry...avid newspaper reader and see it a lot......particles or strands of material is really a "hold" as human history......

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:33 pm
by mhackney
Thanks, I'll try to get that fixed!

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:42 pm
by JakeCShake
No problem......just a "perfectionist"..... As you are.....

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:44 pm
by dbarrans
Wouldn't it be "three dimensional object" rather than "3 dimension object"?

- dan

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:47 pm
by mhackney
Yes, there are several problems in that sentence! I usually spell out numbers (quantities) too.

Calibration Pyramid and info

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:55 pm
by mhackney
Just wanted to capture this in my build thread:

Literally seconds after the print was finished:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v81 ... 2548-3.jpg[/img]

You can still see the tiny filament coming from the top where the nozzle headed home at the end of the print. This is in natural PLA and is a little difficult to photograph. I tried to illuminate it to really highlight the issues - which were very minor in person. This is much better than any pyramid I've ever printed on my H-1s and my friend's Prusa.

Here is a closer view off the printer. Again, no touching the part. Just in moving it the little hair (which was ever so fine) "blew" off by movement through the air:

[img]http://mhackney.zenfolio.com/img/s9/v87 ... 4618-4.jpg[/img]

I claim victory and am going to move on! But I am getting some RED PLA tomorrow so will likely print another in red (translucent).

At this point I am VERY pleased with the Rostock. It definitely outperforms my H-1 and H-1.1. I will refine things i'm sure and the slicers will improve things too. There is a real balance between the mechanical aspects and the slicing aspects to get great prints. My first attempt at this was with a 180°C nozzle. It was a bit stringy. I increased it to 195° and wa-la, no stringing.

As for parameters:

KISSlicer 1.1 RC2 (released today on Mac)
.5mm skin
2 loops
50% infill
.55mm extrusion width and infill extrusion width
.25mm layer thickness
1.0 / 45° Jitter (new feature as of today, just learning how to use it!)
195°C nozzle
60°C heated bed on blue tape
10mm prime/suck
5mm wipe
20mm/s speed
1.5mm min jump
5mm trigger

On the printer side you can get the accel and extruder speeds on my EEPROM screen shot:
Screen Shot 2013-03-26 at 7.47.42 PM.png
stepper digipot 175

Let me know if I missed anything!

Oh yeah, while it was printing I was dancing up and down with a counter clock wise spin!

Re: Mhackney's Rostock Max

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:58 pm
by cambo3d
another nice print