Hobbed Drive Roller Causing Rose Thorn Filament, Failed Prints
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:56 pm
Rostock Max v2. At seemingly random intervals I get this issue where the hobbed gear grinds into PLA filament and forms large burrs. The larger burrs then get stuck in the 4mm Quick Connect PTC Fitting connectors. Once this starts happening on a print it tends to recur,the burr gets stuck on one or both of the PTC brass connectors, leading to the filament getting slowed down or stuck at the cold end too, causing even more burrs. The choke causes extremely under-extruded portions or even entire layers with nothing more than wisps of plastic in between. Occasionally, after a while, the burr gets pushed through and the print can resume, but with extremely weak layers in between, the part integrity is severely compromised.
In extreme cases the hobbed drive roller can even eat through so much filament that it simply cannot grip any more and the printer just airprints the rest of the job, or the part becomes so weak it snaps from just the movement of the hot end. Other times the shredded filament bits get forced into the bowden tube and contribute to the jam near the PTC connectors.
At first I tried cleaning the hobbed roller but the amount of shredded filament around it is quite little, if anything most of the shreds drop into the bowden tube anyway.
Testing to try to reproduce the problem is difficult, sometimes I get entire 24hour prints where this is no issue at all. Cranking up the speed and temperature seems to reduce the issue(or at least reduce the likelihood of it happening, this could simply be because there's less time for things to screw up) but anything above 50mm/s causes unacceptable layer shifting for me due to belts slipping or other play in the mechanical system. It also reduces the surface quality and so I do not consider increasing the speed a valid solution. I have already gone through over 1kg of filament printing incomplete or poor-strength parts, spent over 1 week, with no clear resolution in sight. Frustration is very high.
Slicer: Simplify3D
Temperatures tested: 180 -230
Print speeds tested 40-60mm/s
Acceleration: 2000mm/s^2
Retraction:5mm, 100mm/s
Filament: Honeycomb(most persistent), ESUN and Reprapper(less persistent) PLA
Unscrewed the hot end PTC and had to use pliers to pull this out because the burrs jammed at the top PTC.
If it was just 1 or 2 burrs it probably wouldn't be an issue but once it starts happening the frequency rapidly rises, practically the entire length of filament is covered in burrs.
Huge burr. The thickness is easily 2mm if not 2.5mm.
Part ruined due to underextrusion from burr. First, small parts start being underextruded. Then entire layers become wisps of plastic. Finally the part simply broke due to not enough strength.
Possible solutions:
1. Replace the cold end with a proven effective design
2. Replace the spring on the EZstruder(I don't know much about the design/engineering, or what would be a good sprint size/weight, or where to source for the right spring)
3. Find some way to restrict the burrs from forming(maybe a 2mm PTFE tube just below the roller might help prevent the burrs from forming?)
4. Find some way to reduce the pressure the EZstruder spring is placing on the filament
5. Buy a new SeemeCNC hobbed gear(probably won't change anything)
6. Buy a new printer: unpalatable, but increasingly plausible
This issue has cost me a lot of time. Please advise.
In extreme cases the hobbed drive roller can even eat through so much filament that it simply cannot grip any more and the printer just airprints the rest of the job, or the part becomes so weak it snaps from just the movement of the hot end. Other times the shredded filament bits get forced into the bowden tube and contribute to the jam near the PTC connectors.
At first I tried cleaning the hobbed roller but the amount of shredded filament around it is quite little, if anything most of the shreds drop into the bowden tube anyway.
Testing to try to reproduce the problem is difficult, sometimes I get entire 24hour prints where this is no issue at all. Cranking up the speed and temperature seems to reduce the issue(or at least reduce the likelihood of it happening, this could simply be because there's less time for things to screw up) but anything above 50mm/s causes unacceptable layer shifting for me due to belts slipping or other play in the mechanical system. It also reduces the surface quality and so I do not consider increasing the speed a valid solution. I have already gone through over 1kg of filament printing incomplete or poor-strength parts, spent over 1 week, with no clear resolution in sight. Frustration is very high.
Slicer: Simplify3D
Temperatures tested: 180 -230
Print speeds tested 40-60mm/s
Acceleration: 2000mm/s^2
Retraction:5mm, 100mm/s
Filament: Honeycomb(most persistent), ESUN and Reprapper(less persistent) PLA
Unscrewed the hot end PTC and had to use pliers to pull this out because the burrs jammed at the top PTC.
If it was just 1 or 2 burrs it probably wouldn't be an issue but once it starts happening the frequency rapidly rises, practically the entire length of filament is covered in burrs.
Huge burr. The thickness is easily 2mm if not 2.5mm.
Part ruined due to underextrusion from burr. First, small parts start being underextruded. Then entire layers become wisps of plastic. Finally the part simply broke due to not enough strength.
Possible solutions:
1. Replace the cold end with a proven effective design
2. Replace the spring on the EZstruder(I don't know much about the design/engineering, or what would be a good sprint size/weight, or where to source for the right spring)
3. Find some way to restrict the burrs from forming(maybe a 2mm PTFE tube just below the roller might help prevent the burrs from forming?)
4. Find some way to reduce the pressure the EZstruder spring is placing on the filament
5. Buy a new SeemeCNC hobbed gear(probably won't change anything)
6. Buy a new printer: unpalatable, but increasingly plausible
This issue has cost me a lot of time. Please advise.