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How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:52 pm
by elqisqeyano
I am wondering how many fans can be connected to the EXT 0 output of the Rambo Board? Can EXT 1 Fan output also be used, even though only 1 extruder is used? I have 2 connected to the Ext 0 currently. Is that ok?

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:30 pm
by Jimustanguitar
I'm sure that's fine. A fan isn't going to draw a lot of current compared to the heater resistors in the hot-end. They use the same kind of output. From the RepRap Wiki on the RAMbo:

Extruders and fans, 5A 12-24V (fuse can be exchanged for up to 10A capacity) 10V-26V input voltage

What I don't know is if this is for the whole buss, or if this is per output.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:33 pm
by Polygonhell
Jimustanguitar wrote:I'm sure that's fine. A fan isn't going to draw a lot of current compared to the heater resistors in the hot-end. They use the same kind of output. From the RepRap Wiki on the RAMbo:

Extruders and fans, 5A 12-24V (fuse can be exchanged for up to 10A capacity) 10V-26V input voltage

What I don't know is if this is for the whole buss, or if this is per output.
The fuse is for all 4 outputs.
All the outputs both fans and extruders are identical, unless you want to do something stupid like run 20 fans off one output I wouldn't worry about it.
In my firmware the second extruder output is actually set as a second fan output driven by repetier's extruder fan control, which enables the fan when the hotend is on and when it's above 50C, pretty much ideal for cooling the peek part of a hotend.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:37 pm
by cambo3d
hmm.. with the new cartridge style heaters that everyone is using that's 3 amps alone just for the heater cartridge.

12v 40w = 3amps, considering this, you would have 2 amps to spare. so just keep that in mind when adding fans. (fans don't require a lot of current) unless like stated above, u can up the fuse rating.

for example.: if you have a fan that uses 1amp of current, then you could add two. but most fans are considerably less than this.

if you have a fan that uses 500ma, then you could add 4 fans...

Just look at the specs of the fan...just do the math

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:05 pm
by elqisqeyano
Thanks guys.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:14 pm
by lordbinky
If you pick a fan using using ~500mA that would still be a strong little fan., I think my best fan on my computer is 0.60 A @ 12v and it's a decent size (120 x 38mm) that makes some noise and moves some air (3,000 rpm 45.90dBA 133.60CFM) and it's meant to have a high static pressure.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:45 pm
by Batteau62
Don't want high jack the thread but quick question...I have a peek fan with three wires? One for rpm status- any place on the Rambo for this?

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:52 pm
by Polygonhell
Batteau62 wrote:Don't want high jack the thread but quick question...I have a peek fan with three wires? One for rpm status- any place on the Rambo for this?
No there is no RPM feedback, just ignore it. Wire the +/- 12V lines.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:34 pm
by Batteau62
My PEEK fan is a little tiny 5V unit. What would be the best to power it, somewhere on the Rambo? or direct red wire from the psu?

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:58 pm
by Polygonhell
Batteau62 wrote:My PEEK fan is a little tiny 5V unit. What would be the best to power it, somewhere on the Rambo? or direct red wire from the psu?
I'd probably power it directly off the PSU, there are a ways to run a 5V fan off the RAMBO board, but it's not the easiest thing in the world to do.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:41 pm
by 626Pilot
Batteau62 wrote:My PEEK fan is a little tiny 5V unit. What would be the best to power it, somewhere on the Rambo? or direct red wire from the psu?
The cheapo way would be to adjust the fan speed slider in Repetier until you get about 5V across the terminals, then write down that setting and always use it.

The "right" way to do it would be to either solder a resistor or a voltage regulator in series. Here is how you'd do the resistor:

V/I=R, where:
V = Voltage drop (12 -> 5 = 7)
I = Current sunk by your fan, in amps
R = Resistor ohms

Suppose you look up the specs for your fan, and discover that it's 5 volts and sinks 100mA (0.1 amps.) Since you want to drop the voltage by 7 volts, you would do 7/0.1 = 700. So you would need to solder a resistor in series with the fan (either + or - terminal) of 700 ohms to get your "perfect" output. I don't know that they actually make such a resistor, but I do know they make a 680 ohm resistor and that's good enough. You should be able to get one at any Radio Shack or other electronics store.

In case I'm dumb at math (SPOILERS: I AM) you'd want to double-check the voltage with a multimeter before you hook up your fan.

Another alternative is to use a LM7805 voltage regulator. That will step down the voltage to 5V and keep it there regardless of current draw from the fan. It's usually used to power small 5V circuitry (like Arduinos.) If you happen to have one around (or can scavenge one) it should work great. Radio Shack probably carries them as well.

To make the install clean, put heat shrink tubing over any bare wire leads. Use a multimeter to make sure nothing is shorted, unless you want to buy a new fuse.

Re: How many fans can the Fan output, on the Rambo, handle?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:02 pm
by jesse
Batteau62 wrote:My PEEK fan is a little tiny 5V unit. What would be the best to power it, somewhere on the Rambo? or direct red wire from the psu?
I powered my 5volt on the first fan port.

The fan can be turned down in repetier host.