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Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:49 pm
by JheregJAB
Hello!

First, some background:
The machine I am working with is part of equipment used in a makerspace. As such, it gets used by a bunch of people. While we usually try to train our members before turning them loose on a piece of equipment, it doesn't always work out the way we want, and of course some members take better care of the equipment than others.

Anyway, I got back to this machine after a few month's absence and found it in poor shape, so I fixed it up a bit. It had lost a screw which was supposed to hold one of the towers in place, so I found an appropriate replacement and replaced it. Also, one of the cheapskates had become loose and was wobbling during during printing, so I tightened it down. Last, the mount plate for the EZ-struder had become destroyed. I used our in-house laser cutter and the files from github to cut a new one out of acrylic. I also had to clear a jam of something that looked suspiciously non-plastic from the hot end, and in the process man-handled the hot end into breaking the thermistor. I therefore ordered a new thermistor and replaced it. I mention all this maintenance work in case something stands out to you as a problem area to check on.

Naturally, with all this work needing to be done, the machine was pretty far out of calibration as well. I went in and adjusted the individual tower heights via screw, as well as the z-travel in EEPROM. However, I'm getting a weird change in the z-axis when making moves.

The following is more or less what I did and the odd issue I am seeeing.
g1 f5000 z2 x100 y-50
press z down 1mm twice. I'm satisfied with the height here.
Move the head slowly to z0 x-100 y50, basically diagonal away from the arm. This moves (to my eye) perfectly level. This may be my best calibration ever, or so I think.
move the head back to z0 x100 y-50. The head slowly dips over time until it is obviously too low.

I can home the machine and repeat this issue without fail. The first time it comes down from home it is in the perfect position. After movement it is too low.

Anyone have any advice?

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:19 pm
by Tinyhead
If they had done this kind of damage to other parts, is it possible that they had some head crashes and might have stripped your belts that close to z0? Maybe the steppers don't have much to grab there and it's slipping slightly.

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:50 am
by Eaglezsoar
Also check the belt drive gears to make sure they are not slipping on the steppers.

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:53 am
by JheregJAB
Thanks guys! I'll be in there on Saturday, so I'll be able to give it a look then. I'll report back either way.

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:58 pm
by JheregJAB
Well, you were in the right ball park for sure. When I started looking at the belts it became pretty obvious that they had loosened up over time, I guess that was one maintenance step I missed. I tightened the belts and the z level issues are fixed (though now I need to recalibrate the towers again.. oh well).

I've got another issue I suspect I might have a solution for, but I'm going to open another thread with the appropriate title. Thanks again!

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:10 pm
by Tinyhead
No problem! Hope you get it going right again!

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:00 pm
by FLuKe
JheregJAB wrote:Well, you were in the right ball park for sure. When I started looking at the belts it became pretty obvious that they had loosened up over time, I guess that was one maintenance step I missed. I tightened the belts and the z level issues are fixed (though now I need to recalibrate the towers again.. oh well).

I've got another issue I suspect I might have a solution for, but I'm going to open another thread with the appropriate title. Thanks again!

Can you tell me how to look at the belts on my Orion? I think I am having the same issue as you.

Re: Odd Inconsistent Z level on Rostock

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:31 pm
by JheregJAB
I'm sorry, but the Orion is a bit different from the Rostock, and my space's machine is several revisions back on the Rostock anyway. On our machine, there are bearings at the top of the towers which the belts ride on. Those bearings are secured by a screw and nut, and there is a slot that you can use to reposition the bearing. I simply loosened the screw and nut, and moved the bearing upward, therefore adding tension to the belt. I had a friend hold the belt tight while I tightented the screw down. It was a pretty simple operation.

I don't know that this procedure will work for your Orion, however. Best of luck!