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build failure on super long builds

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:39 am
by 0rionN00b
Anybody with an Orion got some ideas on this?

I've been chasing a bit of an issue, and not really sure what's going on.

I'm doing rather large items (say a 5" cylinder which is around 2" tall and about 25% full of plastic!), so it's generally a 8-10hr run. I'm running VERY SLOW (15-20mm/s) speeds to get accuracy and cut down on layer/gap issues..

Running PLA, my print will run into say 70-75% completion, and will begin to falter - sometimes the head just completely clogs up. Sometimes I'll have TONS of silk all over the print.

I've had the guess that this is being caused by a heat build-up over time on the head.... So I've been experimenting more with the layer fan and use of it to help maintain temp over time.

My Orion came with a little squirrel cage, mounted on the side of the head, but with no shroud - it just blows in the general direction of the tip.
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So the outcome of this is that if I run that fan at 100%, it will actually cool off the hotend too much - at 100% it'll knock 20 C off the hotend tip, and actually cause failure..

at 75% speed it is a healthy balance - the tip keeps pretty consistent temps.


So what should I be doing to counteract the unit clogging up 5 or 6 hrs into a build??

I've been thinking about printing a different layer fan shroud that's more accurate, so I can keep temps more steady..But I"m not realy convinced that this is the issue.

thoughts??

Re: build failure on super long builds

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:50 pm
by geneb
That fan shroud is /literally/ missing the "shroud" part. Try this one: http://repables.com/r/171/

Also, make sure that the PEEK fan is operating properly and no broken.

g.

Re: build failure on super long builds

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:13 pm
by 0rionN00b
geneb wrote:That fan shroud is /literally/ missing the "shroud" part. Try this one: http://repables.com/r/171/

Also, make sure that the PEEK fan is operating properly and no broken.

g.

well now... that makes way much more sense..

When I pulled it out of the box from SeeMeCNC, it hat a tiny little 'squiggly' of plastic hanging off the end.. I'm guessing it got broken off when they were packing, and somebody didn't notice... Guess I shoulda figured that out 4 months ago, eh!?

Re: build failure on super long builds

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:27 pm
by Tinyhead
0rionN00b wrote:When I pulled it out of the box from SeeMeCNC, it hat a tiny little 'squiggly' of plastic hanging off the end.. I'm guessing it got broken off when they were packing, and somebody didn't notice... Guess I shoulda figured that out 4 months ago, eh!?
Probably wasn't broken off... http://repables.com/r/154/

Use the one geneb recommends. Works like a charm.

Re: build failure on super long builds

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:10 pm
by 0rionN00b
Tinyhead wrote:
0rionN00b wrote:When I pulled it out of the box from SeeMeCNC, it hat a tiny little 'squiggly' of plastic hanging off the end.. I'm guessing it got broken off when they were packing, and somebody didn't notice... Guess I shoulda figured that out 4 months ago, eh!?
Probably wasn't broken off... http://repables.com/r/154/

Use the one geneb recommends. Works like a charm.

well derrrrr..... New one installed--works like a champ!

Re: build failure on super long builds

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:45 am
by geneb
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