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Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:51 am
by Aurora900
I'm wondering if instead of installing dampers on the motors, how effective sound deadening material like dynamat (what you would use in a car to reduce vibrations from a sub woofer) would be. I figure most of the sound is generated from the vibrations resonating in the wood... and this is specifically supposed to prevent materials from resonating...

I figure I could put a couple small pieces on each tower support. Anyone think this will be effective? Obviously the best choice would likely be the dampers, but for someone who wants a quick fix to an existing setup without having to tare the rostock apart, I wonder if this would be worth while. I already have the dynamat on hand, so it wouldn't even cost me anything to do. And if no one has tried this, then I'll be the guinea pig :P

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:35 am
by astroboy907
Do it!
I've also heard of a few people putting sorbothane pads on the bottom of the printer to help reduce vibrations there.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:40 am
by mlapaglia
I have the dampers on my motors and the pads under the base.

You shouldn't have to take the whole printer apart to install the dampers. I would highly recommend them also, they make the printer much quieter.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:45 am
by Aurora900
mlapaglia wrote:I have the dampers on my motors and the pads under the base.

You shouldn't have to take the whole printer apart to install the dampers. I would highly recommend them also, they make the printer much quieter.

Wouldn't I have to unmount the motors? And they're mounted from the inside of the tower supports... there's no way you could get to the screws without taking the whole base apart, as far as I can tell.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:56 am
by mlapaglia
There are holes in the frame to access all 4 screws that hold the motor in place. Undo those, pull the motor off, install the dampers and reinstall it.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:06 pm
by Aurora900
mlapaglia wrote:There are holes in the frame to access all 4 screws that hold the motor in place. Undo those, pull the motor off, install the dampers and reinstall it.
Oh, good to know! I haven't looked that closely at it :P

I might actually order some of the astrosyn dampers then.... lol

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:45 pm
by astroboy907
Aurora900 wrote:
mlapaglia wrote:There are holes in the frame to access all 4 screws that hold the motor in place. Undo those, pull the motor off, install the dampers and reinstall it.
Oh, good to know! I haven't looked that closely at it :P

I might actually order some of the astrosyn dampers then.... lol
If you are planning on buying from me I only have 1 set left and Astrosyn said they were out of stock until the end of october. But TriD printing also has them if I run out :)

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:54 pm
by Aurora900
astroboy907 wrote:
Aurora900 wrote:
mlapaglia wrote:There are holes in the frame to access all 4 screws that hold the motor in place. Undo those, pull the motor off, install the dampers and reinstall it.
Oh, good to know! I haven't looked that closely at it :P

I might actually order some of the astrosyn dampers then.... lol
If you are planning on buying from me I only have 1 set left and Astrosyn said they were out of stock until the end of october. But TriD printing also has them if I run out :)
I'm going to hold off and see how much noise this thing actually makes first :P

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:37 pm
by RAMTechRob
I have my machine in the house, one room away from where I watch TV. If I installed dampeners, I would never know when the machine shut off. A little noise is OK for where I have mine.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:59 pm
by Aurora900
RAMTechRob wrote:I have my machine in the house, one room away from where I watch TV. If I installed dampeners, I would never know when the machine shut off. A little noise is OK for where I have mine.
Mine will temporarily be living in my bedroom until I have a chance to move it to my boyfriends place. We're probably going to be keeping it in our bedroom there as well, so I might want it to be quieter. Though the bedroom is pretty far from everything else and while it's running most of the time no one will be in the bedroom. If we put it in the living room I might also want the dampers because that's where most of us are most of the time...

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:53 pm
by teoman
In the bedroom you would want some sound dampening. Before ours got moved to our walk in closet room, it resided in the living room. And when doing a 40 hour print you end up being in its proximity. It is ok for a day or two but the novelty wears off quickly and it becomes a nuisance.

Ps. Walk in closet is just a room that has such a crappy desing that you can only fit in 2 cupboards. Not a place you can observe the printer and fiddle with it.I am currently researching a 50cm x 50cm cupboard or similar from ikea so i can move my toy back to the living room.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:06 pm
by Russ
Those AstroSyn dampers are definitely the best value for an upgrade i've done for a long time. I didn't think it was *that loud, until I installed the dampers. The main source of noise is now the extruder, which is pretty minimal.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:15 pm
by Captain Starfish
Agreed.

My Max was on the verge of banishment to the shed because of the noise - even during the day or evening.

Now? I can print overnight just with the study door closed and us in the bedroom opposite.

Still, don't think I'd run it in the bedroom if I was asleep. Not only the noise but the fumes.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:50 pm
by Nylocke
*Sticks head up after printing Nylon and PLA* what fumes? :P

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:58 pm
by bot
I want some of whatever that guy is printing! 8-) :lol:

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:13 pm
by Aurora900
Nylocke wrote:*Sticks head up after printing Nylon and PLA* what fumes? :P
Your avatar is very appropriate for that comment :P (sounds like something the professor would say, probably while in a completely smoke filled room lol)

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:22 pm
by Nylocke
420 Blaze it, I mean, uh, what?

But seriously I don't like them ABS fumes. All my PLA smells like sweet stuff, and the Nylon smells like dusty old attics. Mmmmmmm, gotta love that Nylon :P

Back on topic, when I was using my Ultimaker it was LOUD. I got some dampers, and it wasn't loud. They really do work quite well. I only have 2 installed on my MAX, but I think thats enough to sleep with it printing (if the extruder motor wasn't so loud on retracts :/).

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:33 pm
by Aurora900
Yeah, I'm going to try some dynamat first and see what happens... experimenting is fun anyways :P

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:57 pm
by McSlappy
Yes the attractive smell is one of the perks to PLA ;)

I'm sure someone in one of the new 'green' states or the Netherlands is working on 3d printing marijuana so I imagine the first 3d printed blunt to come out soon.

How thick is that Dynamat stuff?

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:18 pm
by Aurora900
McSlappy wrote:Yes the attractive smell is one of the perks to PLA ;)

I'm sure someone in one of the new 'green' states or the Netherlands is working on 3d printing marijuana so I imagine the first 3d printed blunt to come out soon.

How thick is that Dynamat stuff?
It's pretty thin, but impressively good at reducing vibration. You need a lot less than you think to deaden a car... only a few square inches in a couple places is enough. I can grab it from my car tomorrow and measure the thickness with my calipers if you want an actual measurement

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:03 pm
by predawnsky
astroboy907 wrote:Do it!
I've also heard of a few people putting sorbothane pads on the bottom of the printer to help reduce vibrations there.
do you know if there are any dampers for the wantai stepper motors

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:21 am
by astroboy907
predawnsky wrote:
astroboy907 wrote:Do it!
I've also heard of a few people putting sorbothane pads on the bottom of the printer to help reduce vibrations there.
do you know if there are any dampers for the wantai stepper motors
You should be able to find some at TriDPrinting.

Re: Sound deadening material

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:48 pm
by predawnsky
astroboy907 wrote:
predawnsky wrote:
astroboy907 wrote:Do it!
I've also heard of a few people putting sorbothane pads on the bottom of the printer to help reduce vibrations there.
do you know if there are any dampers for the wantai stepper motors
You should be able to find some at TriDPrinting.
cool thanks